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Paul Barrett
#1 Posted : Tuesday, April 30, 2013 4:45:51 PM Quote
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I came off MTX tabs after 3 months onto MTX injectable. Injected three doses, last one 10 days ago.

Nausea and vomiting was one of the side effects that caused me to come off MTX. How long before it's side-effects subside?

Or could it be the MST Continuus or oramorphine I am using for pain control?

Feeling really nauseous at the moment. In fact I am heading straight for the big white ceramic telephone..............
Paul Barrett

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Paul Barrett
#2 Posted : Tuesday, April 30, 2013 8:25:17 PM Quote
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It's the morphine says my GP. Brilliant at pain control but at a price. Still,myexcellent GP called me back in minutes and 30 mins later my wife was able to collect from the pharmacy (thanks to new electronic submission system between doc and pharmacy) an anti-emetic.
Paul Barrett

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Sheila-R
#3 Posted : Tuesday, April 30, 2013 9:28:38 PM Quote
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Hi Paul and welcome to the forum, I had to admit I had never heard of Enthesitis but after looking it up, ouch you must be in lots of pain. As to the methotrexate, it did make me feel sick when I first started it but since then its been fine, however had oramorph in hospital recently and was reaching for the bucket, an anti sickness worked wonders after that. I see that Enthesitis is also treated with biologics has there been any discussion that this might be the route for you.
With all best wishes
Sheila
Paul Barrett
#4 Posted : Wednesday, May 01, 2013 11:02:56 AM Quote
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Sheila-R wrote:
Hi Paul and welcome to the forum, I had to admit I had never heard of Enthesitis but after looking it up, ouch you must be in lots of pain. As to the methotrexate, it did make me feel sick when I first started it but since then its been fine, however had oramorph in hospital recently and was reaching for the bucket, an anti sickness worked wonders after that. I see that Enthesitis is also treated with biologics has there been any discussion that this might be the route for you.
With all best wishes
Sheila



Oh yes, pain everywhere. My hips are unlike the rest of my body, because they give me a burning sensation at the top of the hip which varies in intensity and is pretty much permanent. The rest of my body is more classic enthesitis i.e. a pain in the tendon, the connection to t he none and the bone site itself. These are agrravated by use but alkso you get random shooting pains just shooting off in any place and then they move around your body. Feet, ankles, shins, knees thighs, hips, hands, fingers, wrists, elbows, shoulders, neck. That doesn't leave much. :(

The pain at any figen site can last from a few seconds to a few minutes and they stop you dead in your tracks.

Unfortunately, as a UC sufferer, NSAID's are ruled out so opiates are my best current shot.

I think under NICE guidelines yo have to try and fail on two DMARDs before you can move on to biologics. In that case I should qualify

In the meantime I am using MST continuss to control background pain and paracetamol / codeine and ora morphine for breakthrough pain. And I am in la la land.

Paul Barrett

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sylviax
#5 Posted : Wednesday, May 01, 2013 5:05:26 PM Quote
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Hi Paul - ouch! that sounds rough. Good luck with getting onto biologics - there are loads of people here who are delighted with their results with them

Best wishes - Sylvia
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, May 01, 2013 8:17:41 PM Quote
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Paul

Sorry to read you are having such a rough time and you must be in so much pain judging by the pain killers you take.

I was diagnosed three years ago. I have been through three biologics over the last two years which had to be stopped due to extreme reactions. However the last chance saloon for me was Simponi and it has certainly brought my RA more under control. There are absolutely no side effects. However I still get break through pain each day but it is not the all encompassing pain I had three years ago where, like you I was high on drugs. I still cannot understand how much RA can travel around your body indiscriminately. I manage to work five days a week so feel that I am very lucky that I have hit on the right drug regime. In the early darker days of diagnosis I did not think there would ever be a bright future but now I can see the light.

Perhaps now is the time for you to consider the biologics route. There are some people I know with RA who are now in remission and doing all the things they thought they never would be able to again.

Take care

Jackie
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Sheila-R
#7 Posted : Wednesday, May 01, 2013 9:52:27 PM Quote
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Paul thanks for the explanation about your pain, however much you can read on websites theres nothing like someone who actually suffers from it, describing it as it is. No wonder you need some big guns pain relief. Did I read that you'd also tried sulpasalzine (can't remember how its spelt) surely that along with the methotrexate along with a high DAS score would qualify you for biologics, now might be the time to push to try in an effort to get some control over the Enthesitis. Did I also read that biologics work for UC?
As Jackie and Sylvia have both said many of us have changed lives through biologics, even if it does take trialling a few to find the right one that does the job.
In the meantime there are just periods where La la land is an okay place to be, especially if its pain free.
Best wishes
Sheila
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#8 Posted : Thursday, May 02, 2013 11:17:28 AM Quote
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Hi Paul

I can't NSDAIDs either due to stomach ulcers
So
Get to see the pain clinic
I found them very helpful tbh as not on the ra drugs at this time

I take steroids
Then take paracetamol 4 times a day to help tackle background pain

I take zomorph tablets but have in the past tried butrans patches

Also take gabapentin for nerve pain.

FounD the psychologist in pain clinic very helpful dispite my early misgivings
how to be a velvet bulldoser
Paul Barrett
#9 Posted : Thursday, May 02, 2013 12:59:51 PM Quote
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Very bad day today. Up during night taking ora morph and anti-emetics,. Woke up at 9 with awful nausea. Now throwing a temp of 38.2. Something's cooking. Seeing GP on a couple of hours
Paul Barrett

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Paul Barrett
#10 Posted : Saturday, May 04, 2013 1:23:54 PM Quote
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Paul Barrett wrote:
Very bad day today. Up during night taking ora morph and anti-emetics,. Woke up at 9 with awful nausea. Now throwing a temp of 38.2. Something's cooking. Seeing GP in a couple of hours


And the GP set me back into A&E. Essentially a repeat of last week's episode although as it was not so bad I avoided admission.

Now on 40mg oral steroids as the gastroenterologist I saw (who also has immunology experience) said that as my CRP was up but all other indicators were normal, it was not an infection but a flair of the enthesitis.

Rheum Consultant appointment in under two weeks.

As an aside, what is it about A&E cubicle 'beds' I use the term in the loosest send of the word. Are they made of concrete? A nurse came across me sitting huddled in a chair in the cubicle, took pity on me when I explained the pain to my RA being caused by the bed and put me another cubicle that had a proper bed. Joy!!

Now the kittens are queuing up outside to beat me up. It has taken me four days to accomplish the simple task of putting up a curtain rail - a job that would normally take 30 minutes. Man, I'm tired of the fatigue! Smile

Paul Barrett

Hexham - Northumberland - Loads of spectacular walks - all I need now are the joints to go with them! :)

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suzanne_p
#11 Posted : Saturday, May 04, 2013 3:33:17 PM Quote
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sorry to hear you're feeling so rough Paul,

hopefully you can have a good discussion about the way you feel in a fortnight.

have to say for me fatigue is the biggest factor of my RA ( as i am under control well in remission with my meds ) but i also have never slept well .. documented on here in threads from way back, so i think that plays a part in the fatigue.

hope to hear more positive news from you soon,

Suzanne x
Paul Barrett
#12 Posted : Sunday, May 05, 2013 8:41:08 AM Quote
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suzanne_p wrote:
sorry to hear you're feeling so rough Paul,

hopefully you can have a good discussion about the way you feel in a fortnight.

have to say for me fatigue is the biggest factor of my RA ( as i am under control well in remission with my meds ) but i also have never slept well .. documented on here in threads from way back, so i think that plays a part in the fatigue.

hope to hear more positive news from you soon,

Suzanne x


Hi Suzanne

That's probably the root of my problem too - sleep.

I don't about RA but enthesitis pain is worse when you lie down. So nights can be a trial. I use a cocktail of drugs at bedtime and often afterwards to get through the night and an assortment of pillows to get into the right position, but still seep is difficult sometimes. And then the night after I started ny steroids I hit an all time low - 1 hour all night. I'd forgotten that steroids can do that to you.
Paul Barrett

Hexham - Northumberland - Loads of spectacular walks - all I need now are the joints to go with them! :)

Enthesitis (2012)
Ulcerative Colitis (1990)
Paul Barrett
#13 Posted : Sunday, May 05, 2013 11:30:49 AM Quote
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My wife found reference on a site somewhere to ginger being a good natural anti-emetic.

Anyone got any experience please?
Paul Barrett

Hexham - Northumberland - Loads of spectacular walks - all I need now are the joints to go with them! :)

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jenni_b
#14 Posted : Sunday, May 05, 2013 12:38:56 PM Quote
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I've had a go at them from holland and barratt

Found cyclozine from gp helpful too
how to be a velvet bulldoser
jenni_b
#15 Posted : Sunday, May 05, 2013 12:47:22 PM Quote
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http://m.hollandandbarre...pid=947&prodid=1129

I took this when I was expecting bernice
But also found the tin of car sweets helpful

Also, you might like to look at www.mohdoh.co.uk
I liked their 'breathe' and 'calm'

My husband has IBS and we found these peppermint helps- think called culpermin in the chemist and it's relived the cramps when he went through a bad patch

Jenni

Ps those beds are rock hard in a and e- think its a government conspiracy to cut patient numbers in the dept!
how to be a velvet bulldoser
Paul Barrett
#16 Posted : Sunday, May 05, 2013 1:08:58 PM Quote
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Thanks Jenni - off toH&B it is then
Paul Barrett

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